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	<description>Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don&#039;t want to hear</description>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-414320</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann On

&lt;blockquote&gt;On the whole, I think most Western politicians would find it difficult to stand up “in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions” [than Al Qaeda]” in public.&lt;/blockquote&lt;

However, this is not the conclusion to which the article trends. I am not suggesting that MB are a greater threat than al-Q. I am suggesting that (once again) MB can be shown to be a conniving, lying, duplicitous bunch of gangsters and their supporters, wedded to a violent ideology of clerical fascism. That was all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann On</p>
<blockquote><p>On the whole, I think most Western politicians would find it difficult to stand up “in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions” [than Al Qaeda]” in public.&lt;/blockquote&lt;</p>
<p>However, this is not the conclusion to which the article trends. I am not suggesting that MB are a greater threat than al-Q. I am suggesting that (once again) MB can be shown to be a conniving, lying, duplicitous bunch of gangsters and their supporters, wedded to a violent ideology of clerical fascism. That was all.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Israelinurse</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-414167</link>
		<dc:creator>Israelinurse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fascinating peice - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating peice &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann On</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-414100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a bit imprecise to go from &quot;linked to violence&quot; to &quot;Linked to Al Qaeda&quot; - you can link lots of ideologies to violence: &#039;The French and American revolutions show that liberalism is linked to violence&#039; (indeed born in violence) Both the Democrats and Republicans can be &quot;linked&quot; to bombings and assassinations. although I suppose only the Republicans can be &quot;linked&quot; to torture. However, I think it still stands that the Moslem Brothers are much more interested in mass action and mass membership than individual terrorism. Isn&#039;t that why al-Zawahiri is an ex member of the MB, precisely because he wanted to go down a different road: This does suggest a different response: I am suggesting that police action is an appropriate reaction to Al Qaeda, but not the Muslim Brotherhood.
 On the whole, I think most Western politicians would find it difficult to stand up &quot;in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions&quot; [than Al Qaeda]&quot; in public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a bit imprecise to go from &#8220;linked to violence&#8221; to &#8220;Linked to Al Qaeda&#8221; &#8211; you can link lots of ideologies to violence: &#8216;The French and American revolutions show that liberalism is linked to violence&#8217; (indeed born in violence) Both the Democrats and Republicans can be &#8220;linked&#8221; to bombings and assassinations. although I suppose only the Republicans can be &#8220;linked&#8221; to torture. However, I think it still stands that the Moslem Brothers are much more interested in mass action and mass membership than individual terrorism. Isn&#8217;t that why al-Zawahiri is an ex member of the MB, precisely because he wanted to go down a different road: This does suggest a different response: I am suggesting that police action is an appropriate reaction to Al Qaeda, but not the Muslim Brotherhood.<br />
 On the whole, I think most Western politicians would find it difficult to stand up &#8220;in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions&#8221; [than Al Qaeda]&#8221; in public.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Faris</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-413894</link>
		<dc:creator>Abu Faris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB in Egypt have quite recently been accused of direct involvement in the planning of terrorist actions. 

Last year, Egyptian prosecutors bought charges against four people

&lt;blockquote&gt;alleging that members of the Islamist organization aided Hamas by providing components used to build aerial drones.

Egyptian security forces detained four people and have accused them of plotting to buy fuel for a pilotless aircraft for Hamas...

&lt;b&gt;The sources said two of those detained were members of Egypt&#039;s opposition Muslim Brotherhood. They said the two men had given 20,000 Egyptian pounds ($3,700) to [the] two other Egyptians to buy fuel and a remote control device for a small aircraft... &lt;/b&gt;

Egyptian prosecutors are investigating a group of Muslim Brotherhood members alleged to have provided Hamas operatives with equipment and technology for purposes of developing unmanned aerial vehicles.

Specifically... authorities have focused their inquiry on the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood cell, a professor who teaches at Al Azhar University, a well-known Islamic institution.

In addition, investigators also suspect an additional Brotherhood member who was thought to be responsible for the group&#039;s activities along Egypt&#039;s border with the Gaza Strip last January [2008], when Hamas breached the fence separating the Strip with Sinai.

The goal of the initiative was to manufacture aerial drones which would then be fitted with explosives that would be detonated by remote control, Al Ahram, a paper long identified with Egyptian officialdom, reported Saturday.

The group of suspects is also reported to include members of the Hamas military wing, the Izz a-Din al Qassam Brigades. &lt;blockquote&gt;

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978062.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB in Egypt have quite recently been accused of direct involvement in the planning of terrorist actions. </p>
<p>Last year, Egyptian prosecutors bought charges against four people</p>
<blockquote><p>alleging that members of the Islamist organization aided Hamas by providing components used to build aerial drones.</p>
<p>Egyptian security forces detained four people and have accused them of plotting to buy fuel for a pilotless aircraft for Hamas&#8230;</p>
<p><b>The sources said two of those detained were members of Egypt&#8217;s opposition Muslim Brotherhood. They said the two men had given 20,000 Egyptian pounds ($3,700) to [the] two other Egyptians to buy fuel and a remote control device for a small aircraft&#8230; </b></p>
<p>Egyptian prosecutors are investigating a group of Muslim Brotherhood members alleged to have provided Hamas operatives with equipment and technology for purposes of developing unmanned aerial vehicles.</p>
<p>Specifically&#8230; authorities have focused their inquiry on the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood cell, a professor who teaches at Al Azhar University, a well-known Islamic institution.</p>
<p>In addition, investigators also suspect an additional Brotherhood member who was thought to be responsible for the group&#8217;s activities along Egypt&#8217;s border with the Gaza Strip last January [2008], when Hamas breached the fence separating the Strip with Sinai.</p>
<p>The goal of the initiative was to manufacture aerial drones which would then be fitted with explosives that would be detonated by remote control, Al Ahram, a paper long identified with Egyptian officialdom, reported Saturday.</p>
<p>The group of suspects is also reported to include members of the Hamas military wing, the Izz a-Din al Qassam Brigades.<br />
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<p><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978062.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/978062.html</a></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-413891</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to type &quot;Ayman al-Zawahiri&quot;.

And I did not mention that this is a very good, informative and intelligent article, Abu Faris. I would have expected nothing less from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to type &#8220;Ayman al-Zawahiri&#8221;.</p>
<p>And I did not mention that this is a very good, informative and intelligent article, Abu Faris. I would have expected nothing less from you.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the fact that during the Israel/Lebanon conflict that Mahdi Akef, the head of the MB, suggested he could get 10,000 fighters against Israel is only one of many proofs that the MB supports violence.

The MB carried out bombings in Egypt in 1948 and also engaged in failed and successful assassinations.

It may not - as Ann On suggests - employ the same methodology as Al Qaeda, but in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions.

Take the case of Hassan al-Turabi, the former head of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood. He gave shelter to both Carlos the Jackal and Osama bin Laden. In 1991 his policies of forcing sharia law upon non-Muslims in the south of Sudan helped to create the civil war in which 2 million died.

But do not forget that Awman al-Zawahiri, who is probably more important than bin Laden in the planning of Al Qaeda strategy, was a former Muslim Brotherhood member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the fact that during the Israel/Lebanon conflict that Mahdi Akef, the head of the MB, suggested he could get 10,000 fighters against Israel is only one of many proofs that the MB supports violence.</p>
<p>The MB carried out bombings in Egypt in 1948 and also engaged in failed and successful assassinations.</p>
<p>It may not &#8211; as Ann On suggests &#8211; employ the same methodology as Al Qaeda, but in some ways the MB is far more important as a threat to global institutions.</p>
<p>Take the case of Hassan al-Turabi, the former head of the Sudanese Muslim Brotherhood. He gave shelter to both Carlos the Jackal and Osama bin Laden. In 1991 his policies of forcing sharia law upon non-Muslims in the south of Sudan helped to create the civil war in which 2 million died.</p>
<p>But do not forget that Awman al-Zawahiri, who is probably more important than bin Laden in the planning of Al Qaeda strategy, was a former Muslim Brotherhood member.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann On</title>
		<link>http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/11/25/brothers-in-arms/comment-page-1/#comment-413881</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is very interesting, but I am not sure that &quot;This in itself fatally undermines the Muslim Brotherhood’s claims to have repudiated violence and extremism&quot; : There are - and you are illustrating - common historical roots and more contemporary  links between the Moslem Brothers and Al Qaida, but I think they still represent different tendencies in Islamism - between the mass party approach and the terror cell approach: Like the relationship between Baader Meinhof /RAF and the 68 left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very interesting, but I am not sure that &#8220;This in itself fatally undermines the Muslim Brotherhood’s claims to have repudiated violence and extremism&#8221; : There are &#8211; and you are illustrating &#8211; common historical roots and more contemporary  links between the Moslem Brothers and Al Qaida, but I think they still represent different tendencies in Islamism &#8211; between the mass party approach and the terror cell approach: Like the relationship between Baader Meinhof /RAF and the 68 left.</p>
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