Harry's Place

Oh I do hope that nice Lee John barnes turns up.

To save Barnes the time:

Oh big fucking deal you cunts. What about the IDF?

He isn’t a member anyway. Zionist scum!

If you read my posts on Odin and 2012 you’ll understand that this is all the fault of the secret shadow government and the Israeli Nazis and that their days are numbered when the black sun appears and Vidar emerges.

Hail Odin!

Dig my rampant bull like male sexuality you lefty scum cock jockeys!

I’ll sue anyone who disagrees with me because I’m a legal director.

Look at the Boksta Runestone you morons. The druid army is coming!

If Man does not unlock the 7 inner Chakras and 7 inner seals then the Apocalypse will occur and this will force Man to open the 7th inner Chakra and free him from the dominion of the Anti-christ and 666 The Religion of the Book.

Zionists!!!

Fuck off Graham you PAEDO.

1) He is not a member of the BNP.

2) He was not a member of the BNP when he was arrested.

3) He was a member for 1 year over 2 years ago.

4) He is obviously a nutter.

5) Compared to selling a chemical weapons plant to Saddam Hussein that was used to murder thousands of Kurdish women, children and men with Mustard Gas, which is what the Tories did, or starting an illegal war in Iraq that has killed half a million people and caused three million to flee their own country which the Labour Party did , that puts it into perspective doesnt it.

Unlike the Labour Party and the Tories, the BNP did not endorse nor profit from his criminality.

The BNP unlike Thatcher did not authorise the sales of a chemical weapons plant to Iraq which she knew would be used to murder tens of thousands of innocent people – simply for profit.

The BNP unlike the Labour Party did vote for an illegal war in Iraq that slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people – simply to suck up to the Ameericans.

The BNP did not know, authorise or ever, anytime, endorse his actions.

The BNP not only occupy the moral high ground in British politics, we would have to work fucking hard to ever become as evil, corrupt, cruel, demonic and hypocritical as the Tories and Labour.

In fact to be honest, I dont think the BNP are capable of being as corrupt, evil and demonic as the Tories and Labour – and that really puts us at a political disadvantage in a political system predicated on corruption, evil and being demonic.

We are simply too honest, too decent and too moral.

I suspect this is one of those people Lee was threatening to send round and “sort me out” on the other thread.

“Look at the size of my brocock!”

Fuck off Edmund you Zionist rent boy.

Fuck off Graham you PAEDO.

Ah I was hoping you were going to do that. It makes it so much easier for me to talk about your smackhead family.

Anyway, so little BNP members with their toy guns – how nice for you.

I suspect this is one of those people Lee was threatening to send round and “sort me out” on the other thread.

“Look at the size of my brocock!”

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A wet wipe would enough to get rid of you graham, seeing as you are simply a skid mark on the Y fronts of humanity.

A wet wipe would enough to get rid of you graham,

Well why don’t you turn up with one kid? I will use it to stop up your left nostril while I pull your “brain” out the other side.

So this is the kind of person we find in the new BNP

And Barnes is one of their leaders! Despatching such thugs to people who “get at him” on the internet.

Its a long way from Griffin in a suit in the euro-parliament right enough.

A wet wipe would enough to get rid of you graham,

Well why don’t you turn up with one kid? I will use it to stop up your left nostril while I pull your “brain” out the other side.

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Nah, I dont want to get shit on my hands and sully myself by dealing with the gobshite, shit monster that you are.

You simply aint worth the bother.

Wanker.

You simply aint worth the bother.

Coward. Anyone can insult you and you won’t do anything will ya?

Slink off and blubber!

And Barnes is one of their leaders! Despatching such thugs to people who “get at him” on the internet.

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HA HA – whats the point of sending ‘thugs’ to sort you out – you are just an internet keyboard wanker – simply pulling the plug out of the mains deals with internet gobshites like you.

Now get back in the sewer you came out of you loathsome little gutter rat.

You just can’t get the Aryan supermen these days can you?

:-)

“The BNP not only occupy the moral high ground in British politics,”

And what follows is indeed, the essence of BNP conceptions of the moral high ground”

“Fuck off Graham you PAEDO.”

“Fuck off Edmund you Zionist rent boy.”

All credit though for use of the word “Zionist” – that was three whole syllables. Indeed, a vast improvement for a piece of shit like Barnes.

Is Lee head of the BNP PR department?

He certainly should be.

HA HA – whats the point of sending ‘thugs’ to sort you out –

So you admit that your party has thugs that you send to sort people out.

What’s the matter – has he been put away?

You just can’t get the Aryan supermen these days can you?

:-)

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Funny that – your mother never said that when I was slipping her a length last night

; )

Is Lee head of the BNP PR department?

No that’s the (actual) paedophile Mark Collett

Funny that – your mother never said that when I was slipping her a length last night

Hmm she’s been dead a year – but that you are into necrophilia doesn’t surprise me at all! What you going to admit next?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…

~*pauses to breathe*~

… hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…

Oh, Lee, you are funny.

Quick. Insult him some more before the middle-class moralists turn up and rescue him.

I think I’ll go down to Chatham this weekend. I have a “lead” from a local. Could be a laugh.

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270913946_efa38ec3d8.jpg

Ignorance is bliss, I’d give him another half credit for “rentboy” it’s a two syllable word even if he put an unnecessary space in it.

Looks like Barnesy finishes work in MacDonalds around 6.30 each day…

Goes straight back to the legal department and works on such cases as that of Gavan no doubt. I know that if I was on trial for possession of an arms dump I’d want a smart legal mind like Lee John Barnes (LLB) on my side!

starting an illegal war in Iraq

Oh cripes, this nutter is now on another acid trip.

The BNP unlike the Labour Party did vote for an illegal war in Iraq

For a British nationalist, your grasp of English syntax really sucks, Barnesy me boy.

Are you suggesting that this (terrorism) is BNP policy then?
No of course you’re not.
I expect better from this blog than this sort of gleeful uncontained tabloidesque sensationaliam.

What about those brother wars the Nazis started?

Lee mate, i’ve seen your photos, you’re a trekkie, not a hard man.

jpt’s ‘Blogs I Follow’ include numerous pro-BNP blogs as well as the neo-nazi skinhead thugs of the British Freedom Fighters and ‘Britain Awake’ (see my CSC report for more on this Nazi scumbag).

I presume you’re following them for ‘research purposes’. Please don’t tell me you actually support this stuff…

Now jpt will start an email campaign a-la Dellich, to clear his name …

‘….. I’d want a smart legal mind like Lee John Barnes (LLB) on my side!’

http://www.practicallaw.com/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1247478068637&ssbinary=true

The above never fails to make me laugh. Lee getting his arse kicked in Baggs v Fudge.

On a more sombre note these bedsit, oddball far right bomb makers are popping up with alarming frequency. I suppose their only redeeming feature is they’re massive thickies who always get caught. It’s only a matter of time before one gets to let one of toys off.

you are just an internet keyboard wanker

Oh, the irony.

Funny that – your mother never said that when I was slipping her a length last night

; )

It’s hard to believe this was actually written by an adult, let alone someone who has a position of authority in a political party seeking to run Britain.

LLB Hons!

Graham
27 November 2009, 7:03 pm

Looks like Barnesy finishes work in MacDonalds around 6.30 each day…

Goes straight back to the legal department and works on such cases as that of Gavan no doubt. I know that if I was on trial for possession of an arms dump I’d want a smart legal mind like Lee John Barnes (LLB) on my side!

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Sorry – middle class moralist is here – but I missed Lee.

It seems that some recent cases of defending BNP members are handled by Patrick Harrington, who studied philosophy at North London Poly in the 1980s as a NF member who had to be tutored one-on-one, and who went to Libya with Nick Griffin and Derek Holland in September 1988.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article5701277.ece

Harrington heads he “Third Way” party now, but apparently (from 2008 account in Searchlight) is still connected to the BNP via the trade union “Solidarity”.

A wet wipe would enough to get rid of you graham, seeing as you are simply a skid mark on the Y fronts of humanity.

- LJB

Is that how you do your laundry? You really are ə idiot. With stinky pants.

You need Gold Membership to read this comment.

What gives me the creeps about all this, is they only have one defendant. Who the hell makes 54 bombs for his own use? This is like finding half a cockroach in the only piece of cake you haven’t eaten yet.

Oh I remember Patrick Harrington both from the old days (when he was one NFer I didn’t actually hit) and from when he was at the University of Greenwich when I was doing my PGCE in 98.

Slimey character. Rather like Lee but with testicles.

It’s hard to believe this was actually written by an adult

What makes you think he is one?

Who said oratory was dead? This is like Pitt and Fox all over again.

On the bright side, at least I now know that all those claims on my council tax bill attributing the yearly rise to ‘extra policing’ in West Yorkshire are actually true.

Edmund:
jpt’s ‘Blogs I Follow’ include numerous pro-BNP blogs as well as the neo-nazi skinhead thugs of the British Freedom Fighters and ‘Britain Awake’ (see my CSC report for more on this Nazi scumbag).

I presume you’re following them for ‘research purposes’. Please don’t tell me you actually support this stuff…

I follow all sorts of blogs – don’t just pick out the right wing ones.
I do not support racism , hate, cruelty, against black or white. But if I DO support things that you are against I would expect your tolerance as I would tolerate you if you supported things that I did not agree with.
I have right wing views but also very left wing views. I fit into no exact category and will not compromise my principles just to fit in with any party or organisation.

Tears ran down me legs !

Old Sailor

Lee John Barnes, the gift that keeps on giving.

That’s Lee John Barnes (LLB), the “Legal Director of the BNP”, natch.

What gives me the creeps about all this, is they only have one defendant. Who the hell makes 54 bombs for his own use? This is like finding half a cockroach in the only piece of cake you haven’t eaten yet.

Maybe after the first 2 or 3 dozen it just becomes an end in it’s self?

And up to now, Israelinurse, of course you never locked your front door when you nipped out for a pint, is that right?

Go easy on Lee.

He’s not a well boy.

When a young American/British man called Shimon want to mass murder Muslim civilians, he goes to join the IDF with lots of training videos from Hollywood.

BNP and IDF should unite for a common cause.

When a young American/British man called Shimon want to mass murder Muslim civilians, he goes to join the IDF with lots of training videos from Hollywood.

Yes, that would be why the number of Muslim civlians killed by the IDF in the last 60 years is approximately 1/100000 to 1/1000000 that of Muslim civilians killed by the Muslims Assad, Bin Laden, Omar, Khomeni, Nassar, Qadaffi, Saddam and the various genocidal Muslim thugoccracies of the Subcontinent.

Of course, in stopper world, no one gives a flying fuck about brown people killed by other brown people.

BNP and IDF should unite for a common cause
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IDF is a legitimate force for the defence of a legitimate nation. The BNP appears to be unable to get a realistic nucleus of responsible people in its leadership, so in its current state it could never be compared to the IDF.

Back in the 1930s Fash used to get off their arses, put on their black shirts and go off to a meeting to hear Mosely rant, while lefties would go and heckle them, be ejected and then there would be punch ups in the streets. Now it’s all virtual fights by sedentaries smacking their keyboards. It’s like people driving to gyms to pedal on a stationary bike in front of a telly. I suppose Lee & his chums do goose-stepping Wii.

Top funny from KB P! :)

We know that David Copeland had been a member of the BNP but claimed to have rejected it before he set off his three bombs in London. Copeland thought the BNP was too tame (though probably he thought they were too disorganised and unprofessional).

But it is strange that Lee should say that this guy Terence Gavan is NOT a BNP member any more.

Does anyone remember Robert Cottage? Who lived at Colne in Pendle? He was put in front of magistrates in October 2006, along with David Bolus Jackson:
http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=8&ArticleID=1806619

Now Robert Cottage was widely reported as an EX- BNP member. The jury could not decide if Jackson was guilty, so he was acquitted, but on July 31, 2007, Cottage was jailed for two and a half years for storing explosive chemicals at his home:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6923933.stm

Now Robert Cottage was described as an “Ex-BNP man” by the BBC when he was jailed. He did not serve long in the slammer as he had been remanded.

But Robert Cottage lived in a certain street in Colne, and guess what? In the leaked membership list, there is a woman member who lives in that same particular street. And her name? Ms Kerena J. Cottage.

Well what a surprise.

For media purposes, Robert Cottage is NOT a member, but one of his household still IS a member, so he can receive all the mailout info, plans for world domination etc, that the BNP should send.

Robert Cottage may not appear on any membership list, but as long as a member of his family is still a member, I will be damned before I accept that does not have current affiliations to the party.

So Lee, what was it you were saying about Terence Gavan not being a member? I find no mention of Terence Gavan on the two copies of the leaked BNP membership lists, but I wonder if he had totally severed his links……

Pat Harrington has turned up in the comments boxes here.

Not as funny as the time we had both Lee and Ben White in one thread.

Pat Harrington has turned up in the comments boxes here.
Not as funny as the time we had both Lee and Ben White in one thread.

How did Lee the pro-Israeli but anti-Zionist get on with the anti-Israel (their politics, in case he sues me) Ben White?

JL Barnes – lol.
I am in the process of writing the wikip page he so deserves.
Watch out for the hearing for that BNP MEP candidate who sold execution equipment, coming soon – lols.

I wonder who else may have been in the house with this BNP “gold” (membership number 130757) Terence Gavan .
How did he explain his ‘hobby’?
Who lived each side of his house?
How many more Gavans’ are being groomed by the policies of hatred of the BNP?

JL Barnes – personally.

I note your threats on this site. You are silly – we really do know where you live…. Aint you even a bit scared ? If I were you I would tone it down a bit.

Ooh, if only all the angry, fighty, manly fascists and all the angry, fighty, manly anti-fascists could all go and fight to the death on some island somewhere and let the rest of us trundle on with our lives. Let them kid themselves they’re fighting Cable Street again or whatever it is, like those guys that do Civil war reenactments. The rest of us have moved on.

wardytron – not really, race hate crime inflamed by the bnp is a reality, as are the threats I often get. They do act out sadly.

When a young American/British man called Shimon want to mass murder Muslim civilians, he goes to join the IDF with lots of training videos from Hollywood.

BNP and IDF should unite for a common cause.

Your agitprop lies are so transparent.

So which movies are training video to kill Muslims, you liar?

So which movies are training video to kill Muslims, you liar?

What about this one. I was shocked by the sheer horror of this film.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0960144/

The BNP wouldn’t pass the IDF’s psychological tests to begin with and I doubt very much that they’d manage more than a couple of hours of basic training. Although the scenario could make a very funny TV reality show.

Now it’s all virtual fights by sedentaries smacking their keyboards

Fibre-optic cable street?

Exile is quiet isn’t he. Anyone would think the daft old fucker is too scared to defend his mate Barnes.

Now it’s all virtual fights by sedentaries smacking their keyboards
Fibre-optic cable street?

No Password, No Pasaran?

Israelinurse
28 November 2009, 12:28 am
The BNP wouldn’t pass the IDF’s psychological tests to begin with and I doubt very much that they’d manage more than a couple of hours of basic training. Although the scenario could make a very funny TV reality show.
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So the IDF don’t have a pudding race? Nick Griffin could take part in this, as long as his blancmange-like bits were safely strapped into a wheelbarrow.

wardytron – not really, race hate crime inflamed by the bnp is a reality, as are the threats I often get. They do act out sadly.

And yet it would be so easy, and it’s so obvious, how to neutralise the BNP. Labour just needs to say “yes, actually we do need a cap on population and net immigraton.” Bingo. That’s all people want. Blame them, Labour created this problem, on purpose.

( above) – capitulation is hardly a victory.

And I just noticed ” labour created this problem on purpose “.
Oh jeepers, another bnp tool.

IDF is a legitimate force for the defence of a legitimate nation. The BNP appears to be unable to get a realistic nucleus of responsible people in its leadership, so in its current state it could never be compared to the IDF.

Adrian, this may be an attempt at ironic understatement, but it is a bit of a damp squib … sorry …
BNP are a bunch of thick thugs, end of.
The IDF is what you say above.
Trying to explain the difference to Jew-haters like Mr M is like trying to get my cat to write a novel. Except my cat is brighter than Mr M.

Nah, it’s just a tool.

Wardytron is a bnp tool?

*lol*

Wardytron, apart from being an all-round good egg, is about as far from the BNP as is humanly possible.

And if *he* recognises there is a problem with immigration, then there fucking well is a problem with immigration.

Wardy is no more a BNP tool than Wodehouse was a tool of the Nazi party.

Out of interest, has any other party in British politics contained people who have planned terrorist attacks to carry out a race war? Far from me to accuse Lee or his leader Griffin of condoning or endorsing such activity, but it seems that the BNP attracts more than its fair share of neo-Nazis with murderous intent: Tony Lecomber, David Copeland, Robert Cottage, David Bolus Jackson and Terence Gavan. Then there are the criminal goons, drug pushers and football hooligans embraced by your party. Tell me, Lee, are there any activists in any other party who have been found guilty of acts intended to endanger lives or harm people? I bet there are few if any. So explain why your party attracts violent neo-Nazis. Could it be that your party is a violent neo-Nazi group?

Well according to the UAF (who I wouldn’t usually quote but who seem to be right on the money about this) the BNP has attracted more terrorists than even any American neo-nazi party – despite the unequal size in populations:

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2009/11/bnp-and-terrorism.html

I wouldn’t normally quote UAF on anything, but that Lancaster Unity site is remarkably well-researched and accurate.

A shame that the main spokespeople for the UAF are such oafs.

Graham, I don’t think they are the SWP racist front group “Unite Against Fascism”, who insist that they can only be led by non-white people.

The UAF in the URL of Lancaster Unity stands for “Unity Against Fascism”. They appear to be affiliated to Searchlight’s “Hope not Hate” campaign. No mention of Weyman Bennett or UAF anywhere.

Searchlight and UAF officially separated from each other in July 2005, with Searchlight blaming the UAF’s anti-Zionist whispering campaigns and their insistence that only black people could lead an anti-fascist group:
Unity Anti-Fascist Forum

Sorry, mix-up there. The group is “Unity Anti-Fascist Forum”.

And this is Searchlight’s announcement of its political split with UAF:
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=template&story=146

Bloody splitters.

Oh dear what a vile and sickening thread. I only popped by for a quick look around because sometimes there are some good posts on here.
Why pick on jpt? He is one of the good guys. As for Lee, I think that he just enjoys winding you up and you fall for it every time!
I have it on the best authority that Edmund Standing IS Britain Awake. And as for bomb making lunatics; I have been a member of the BNP for 3 years now and I have not met any.

Adrian, from your link:

We have found it impossible to work with UAF in any meaningful sense for some considerable period of time. However, the final straw has been public accusations that we are pandering to racism by addressing the issue of the grooming of young women in Keighley. We believe that if we did not address the issue then the BNP would be given a free hand to use it to garner votes.

In other words, they addressed the issue of the grooming of young women in Keighley not for moral reasons, but as an electoral device against the BNP.
Very impressive.

I have been a member of the BNP for 3 years now

So that’s at least one lunatic in the BNP, then, bombs or not.

As for Lee, I think that he just enjoys winding you up and you fall for it every time!

Bwahahaha (that’s like suggesting that David Cameron liked “winding up” mumsnet.)

Anyway how do you know that you have not met any bomb making lunatics? Sounds to me like just about every third member of your party got a chemistry set last Xmas.

Gordon Bennet.
I think that it would be virtually impossible to find a bigger lunatic than Gerry Gable, he is a nasty slime ball and makes my flesh creep.

Red S are you Lee’s girlfriend?

If so do you mind telling us if you are over the age of ten?

Graham
28 November 2009, 5:43 pm

Bloody splitters.
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Well this particular People’s Front of Judea is quite expert in its field. Lancaster Unity helped track down the site of the BNP’s new HQ:
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/index.php?link=hate_factory

The Keighley grooming issue may have been handled by Searhlight as a ploy to steal the BNP’s thunder, but at least Searchlight addressed the issue. Strategic and therefore callous, but they addressed the issue openly.

The f***wits from the SWP-dominated UAF would have preferred to have pretended such things did not happen at all, exhibiting their predisposition to spin, lies and deception.

Hello Red Squirrel

I think Gerry Gable is getting on a bit now. He still writes the odd article, but I think that Sonia Gable and Nick Lowles do a lot of the writing on Searchlight, and Nick Lowles is an exceptionally good researcher.

Graham
28 November 2009, 6:04 pm

Red S are you Lee’s girlfriend?

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That’s so funny. And no moralising from me on this particular point – what goes around, comes around.

“Sounds to me like just about every third member of your party got a chemistry set last Xmas.”
You people are so bloody pathetic at times when you insinuate that BNP members are homicidal maniacs.
I passed chemistry and physics at A-level but the idea of blowing people up totally disgusts me.

I passed chemistry and physics at A-level but the idea of blowing people up totally disgusts me.

Good job that you belong to a party with so many other members who will do it for you then. I mean, even the IRA managed to seperate its political wing. Congrats for going on better.

I passed chemistry and physics at A-level but the idea of blowing people up totally disgusts me.
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Does that mean you prefer gassing people?

Only kidding.

Tell me Mr Squirrel – what is it that made you want to join the BNP? Their stand against immigration, their stand against Islam, or something else?

I mean, even the IRA managed to seperate its political wing

I may be wrong, but wasn’t it Sinn Fein that started first, and then split off its activist wing as the IRA?

Nick Lowles is an exceptionally good researcher.

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Dont you mean ‘fantasist’ ?

JL Barnes – personally.

I note your threats on this site. You are silly – we really do know where you live…. Aint you even a bit scared ? If I were you I would tone it down a bit.

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Ooooh ducky.

I am quaking in me jackboots.

Mr Squirrel

I was thinking this morning as a grey squirrel was raiding the bird food hanging from the quince tree (sorry, I am disabled with middle-classness) about how much nicer it would be if we just had the small red squirrels hopping about.

And then I looked at your website:
http://nationalisminourtimesofneed.blogspot.com/

And though your little red squirrel did not look like the creatures I was thinking about this morning, and I certainly don’t want squirrels carrying rifles lurking in the garden, it made me think.

The grey squirrels were brought from America in 1876. And now you use on your website the analogy of Britain being over-run with the wrong coloured rodents (I think that was the message, though there was some mention of Islam).

However, I noticed that your spelling of Grey Squirrel is “GRAY”, which is not the British way, but the American spelling.

Do you not notice the little smidgeon (not a bird) of irony in this?

Hi Lee

No – I don’t think Nick Lowles is a fantasist. He has access to infiltrators who work on the inside of the BNP and other groups.

I would suggest you should hold yound Red Squirrel upside down by his feet and shake him a few times, to see if copies of the Thoughts of Chairman Mao or little pictures of Lenin drop out of his pockets.

Red Squirrel
28 November 2009, 6:50 pm

I just wrote a long response, but got a server error. I will come back and respond later.
By the way I’m Mrs Squirrel and I used to call myself a Socialist.
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Oh I’m very sorry, Mrs Squirrel.

That rules out any teasing questions about whether Nick Griffin has tried to unzip you or not.

I mean, even the IRA managed to seperate its political wing.

Goodness, there are still people around who believe in this fairytale?
It’s like saying: Gestapo = good cop, SS = bad cop.

Adrian,
Strategic and therefore callous, but they addressed the issue openly.

Even a stopped clock shows the correct time sometimes. I don’t see any kudos here for them in this.

It’s like saying: Gestapo = good cop, SS = bad cop.

Well that was the point yes (duh)

The best you can say is the BNP are honest in keeping all these terrorists in the same party along with the other duds like Lee.

I am quaking in me jackboots.

Shell suit and jackboots isn’t a good look (but I suppose we have all seen worse when passing through the Medway towns.)

Adrian,
I am not an infiltrator or double-agent nor am I an American, despite the spelling error.
I’m off to bed and don’t feel like typing all over again.
G’night.

Sleep well Mrs Squirrel. I was only joking about the infiltrator bit. But watch out for Lee – he might try to nick your nuts.

LOL.

I think that we can all find it in our hearts to congratulate the BNP that despite the terrorism, kiddy-fiddling and necrophilia Lee’s little girlfriend is still put to bed so early.

Griffin’s reforms are working.

Fancy thinking that Red Squirrel was a little boy squirrel. Quite obvious to me that she was a lady squirrel.

But just to get back to the point it IS interesting that so many BNPers work up strange potions of an explosive nature …..

And while LJB will no doubt reel off LibLabCon people with convictions for fraud or sexual offences I think he will struggle to name many (any?) who were busy working up IEDs in their kitchens ….

Any names Lee?

My last comment – which was neither offensive or inflammatory, was put in a “moderation queue” and then appeared to be deleted. Very strange.

Big Brother is out to get you – I can have a look if the comment is still there but you will have to wait for Gene or someone to free it.

Nah nothing in the queue – possibly a result of whatever it is that was causing some answers to appear before the comment they were directed at?

Lee: You didn’t answer my question. Why is it that the BNP, uniquely it seems, attracts people with a penchant for amateur bomb-making and who have fantasies about starting a race war?

I’m in the moderation queue again.

This kills spontaneity.

Adrian: Don’t get all Illuminati about it – the moderation queue is completely random, it seems.

OK I just went into the mod queue for pasting your comment.

I am sure that the name Red S—- has been banned.

Well this one is still in the queue at least and the answer to:

“Well it was a trivial comment based around asking communitynurse why she thought Red S—– was female (if communitynurse is a male nurse I’m sorry).”

Is that I am sure it has been mentioned on other threads.

Thanks Dan, but it reduces my verbosity to one-liners in case they get gobbled up – probably a good thing.

Oh God we are going to have another M*nk*yboy situation. Somebody calculate how many times rouge rodents need to be mentioned on a political website!

Graham – I mentioned r** s******* twice above, once in lower case, and once as capitalised proper nouns, and they weren’t put in a queue. I am getting a bit paranoid now.

Well now your original comment has re-appeared in the queue as well.

There be witchcraft afoot.

monkeyboy

R* S* does indeed get held up in the queue, but monkeyboy is OK now.

Sciurus Vulgaris!

R* S* does indeed get held up in the queue, but monkeyboy is OK now.

OK – but that is without capitalising.

Monkeyboy

Hi Abu Faris – using the Linnaean classification would be a good idea, but I am wondering why my earlier comments were held up (with one deleted) when I had previously on this thread mentioned Sciururs vulgaris’s full monicker without being censored.

squirrel red

Let us all be thankful that despite what Dsquared thinks, HP has not been taken over by the censors.

Liberty is the right to say “monkeyboy”.

redsquirrel

Oh my fur and whiskers, I responded to Graham’s comment with the (unexpurgated) Or R** S*******

And I am back in the moderation queue again.

This is starting to get on my nuts.

I am afraid that you still don’t have the right to shout “Sciurus Vulgaris!” in a crowded theatre.

I’m interested by the BNP’s recent adoption of climate change denial, as eloquently elucidated on Lee John Barnes’ blog. This is the BNP’s environment policy, published in April:

“The BNP accepts that climate change, of whatever origin, is a threat to Britain. Current evidence suggests that some of it may be man-made; even if this is not the case, then the principle of ‘better safe than sorry’ applies and we should try to minimise the emission of greenhouse gases and other pollutants. The time has come for change.”

The way the BNP will achieve this is through “significantly reducing” the population through its immigration policies. Obviously, the people shunted out of the island will still create carbon emissions, so maybe they would resort to more drastic measures, a ‘final solution’ to climate change. Some in the party, such as Julian Leppert, believe that non-white people should be prevented from travelling anywhere. I suspect Lee John Barnes, an advocate of white riots, would think this was a woolly liberal idea.

Now Griffin is apparently representing the EU at Copenhagen armed with a theory that climate change is a communist conspiracy against the white race (although those most resistant to curbing greenhouse gas emissions are emerging markets such as China). Does that mean the environmental imperative to reduce the national population has diminished? Will the BNP now accept that the country can sustain the current population now that they believe the emissions problem is just left-wing myth?

I can understand the automatic censors working on words, terms or phrases that are really offensive, like “Michael Martin”, “Lindsey German’s bikini waxing,” “Martin Webster’s brown-eye” or “Harriet Harman’s gynaecology reports,” but a cute little endangered rodent?

The BNP should not be allowed to have its name linked to anything with a long furry tail (unless it belongs to…. No. Lord forgive me for entertaining the thought.)

I suspect that Climate change for the BNP functions rather like unemployment did for the BUF in the thirties. There is no real policy and it is just used as a stick to beat whatever “enemy” is in the frame at the time of writing or speaking. If such a global subject can somehow be harnessed to the watered-down palingenitic myth then eventually it will be, eventually.

Barnes certainly has no ability or authority to lay down policy on the subject and must wait, like Mini-me for Dr Evil’s next elicitation.

Sleep well Mrs Squirrel. I was only joking about the infiltrator bit. But watch out for Lee – he might try to nick your nuts.

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Thank you for the concern Adrian, but I am always very dainty and careful when I handle any squirrels nuts.

As for climate change – there is no such thing as man made climate change, what there is is human over population.

It aint greenhouse gases over fishing the fish, chopping down the rainforest, depleting the soil, killing tigers for quack remedies, killing bush meat etc etc – its people.

Global over industrialisation and industrial pollution is due to capitalists trying to match supply of commodies to demand for commodities caused by rising human populations – so even if greenhouse gases are a problem that problem is at its foundation caused by human over population.

O, when the Nazis come over all “ecological”…

Before you know it they are planting whole forests in the shapes of swastikas and various runes… usually to disguise the sites of mass graves.

Graham: What I find with the BNP is that just a modest, polite inquiry into the inconsistencies and incoherence of their manifesto elicits an angry response, ad hominem attacks and swear words. They simply cannot cope emotionally with criticism. I want Lee John Barnes to explain his party’s policies without exploding. Is it too much to ask?

It is a fairly simple matter to rip apart BNP policies and reveal the underlying racism. For instance, their environmental policy states “The banning of the ritual slaughter of animals without pre-stunning, and the sale of such meat.” This has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with the persecution of Jews and Muslims, making it difficult if not impossible to live in the UK. Yet, fox hunting (which does not involve pre-stunning foxes) is supported by the BNP. Any response from the BNP? Unlikely.

“there is no such thing as man made climate change, what there is is human over population.”

Erm, which is man-made, right? Even your party’s manifesto, which presumably your party’s members have voted to approve, states that some climate change is related to man-made emissions. I don’t understand why your argument that over-population is responsible for a range of environmental problems is incompatible with arguments about climate change. You touch on “over-industrialisation” to supply commodities, but is it not the case that those commodities are mostly not consumed by the people in the developing world but by us in the West, who do not have the resources to sustain our consumption habits? Rather than a problem of over-population, it seems to be a problem of unsustainable and unequal levels of consumption (your party accepts this, in part, in relation to oil supplies). And even if we were to reduce the population of Britain (by how much, the BNP does not say), that doesn’t really address the issue of the underlying issue of unsustainable rates of consumption.

On the point about ritual slaughter. I have just come in from being witness to the slaughter and butchery of the sheep I bought this morning.

I am now preparing “Umm Fit-Fit” – a tasty mixture of chopped tripe, lungs, heart, kidneys and liver, with onions, herbs and a chilli sauce made with peanut butter.

Later I shall eat the intestines in a thick tomato sauce…

And maybe some fava beans.

Chianti is hard to come by here, though.

Hi Dan

Good points about Halal meat. I am sure the fox-hunting issue is a ploy to find favour amongst the land-owning gentry. Their annual Red White & Blue event is held on farmland at Denby in Derbyshire.

Perhaps after seeing the reactionary and militant behaviour of the pro-hunting lobby – vandalising the Uffington White Horse by painting a hunter on top, or (as I saw in Worcestershire) painting large slogans on fields, Otis Ferry making an arse of himself in the Commons – the BNP thought it could make common cause with the rather barking fraternity in the Countryside Alliance.

Some of these CA people have money, perceive the current Conservative party to be too “socialist”, and theoretically could make large donations to the BNP.

Adrian: The BNP can’t make up it’s mind about whether to vilify or embrace “Tory Toffs”. By attacking wealthier and/or more educated people, it thinks it can consolidate its urban white working-class support. But this risks alienating the more rural and wealthier sections of society that may otherwise support its anti-immigrant policies. So with the BNP we have a peculiar marriage of class war and pandering to the gentry – at one point shouting tally-ho as the pack hounds rip apart a fox then at another point getting teary eyed about the plight of sheep being slaughtered in abattoirs complying with Dhabihah and Shechita in order to whip up antagonism towards ‘barbaric’ Jews and Muslims.

A similar dilemma faces the far-left regarding the contradiction between attempting to win the support of Islamists and the traditional commitment to progressive issues such as gay rights. Electoral considerations often trump principles when it comes to the fringes of politics trying to break into the mainstream.

Graham: What I find with the BNP is that just a modest, polite inquiry into the inconsistencies and incoherence of their manifesto elicits an angry response, ad hominem attacks and swear words. They simply cannot cope emotionally with criticism. I want Lee John Barnes to explain his party’s policies without exploding. Is it too much to ask?

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Your not interested in debate dan, you are a closed minded commie who just wants to piss on our shoes.

Heres a question – do you support No Platform coming down and the BNP having the right to enter public debates ?

If the answer is no, then we know your real agenda.

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Erm, which is man-made, right?

### Yes but human over population is not produced by industry is it, which is the basis of the climate change hoax.

Even your party’s manifesto, which presumably your party’s members have voted to approve, states that some climate change is related to man-made emissions.

### – Yeah, semen emissions.

I don’t understand why your argument that over-population is responsible for a range of environmental problems is incompatible with arguments about climate change. You touch on “over-industrialisation” to supply commodities, but is it not the case that those commodities are mostly not consumed by the people in the developing world but by us in the West, who do not have the resources to sustain our consumption habits?

## I agree consumerism is the problem and the west sick with the disease. I despise consumerism. But the sickness is growing in the developing world as this article reveals about the OBESITY EPIDEMIC in Ethiopoa, as opposed to the media images of fly encrusted skeletons to take dosh from liberal suckers ;

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2009/11/24/huddersfield-filmmaker-and-doctor-make-dvd-to-combat-obesity-in-ethiopia-86081-25238772/

Rather than a problem of over-population, it seems to be a problem of unsustainable and unequal levels of consumption (your party accepts this, in part, in relation to oil supplies). And even if we were to reduce the population of Britain (by how much, the BNP does not say), that doesn’t really address the issue of the underlying issue of unsustainable rates of consumption.

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Reduce the population and you reduce demand and consumption. Deport the millions of illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers, illegal entrants etc. Britains population is FALLING if immigration was stopped. Its not fucking rocket science is it !

Well he seemed to confirm your first point there didn’t he?

I suspect that when he reflects that you were asking him a question rather than calling for him to be banned, he will come to the conclusion that the answer to Heres a question – do you support No Platform coming down and the BNP having the right to enter public debates ? is staring him right in the face as well.

So with the BNP we have a peculiar marriage of class war and pandering to the gentry

It really isn’t that peculiar. It has been pretty much a staple of fascist parties everywhere. Mosley’s “Blackshirt” Newspaper used to make much of unemployment figures for its audience whilst “The Leader” hung around high society. When a fascist party reaches power it dumps on the workers and makes an alliance with landed interests. Just as Hitler did.

“Your not interested in debate dan, you are a closed minded commie who just wants to piss on our shoes.”

I may never agree with you Lee, but I am debating with you. It is obviously a hopeless exercise, since you are quick to descend into abuse, usually involving references to urination, defecation, masturbation or illicit sexual activity.

“but human over population is not produced by industry is it, which is the basis of the climate change hoax.”

Well, you raised the issue of “over-industrialisation”, I didn’t.

“Reduce the population and you reduce demand and consumption.”

You will only reduce global demand and consumption by reducing the global population. Environmental problems transcend national borders, which means you have to engage in a debate on global solutions. Throwing out “millions of illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers, illegal entrants etc.” (what about the millions of legal immigrants and genuine asylum seekers?) is not a global solution. Neither is banning ritual slaughter or burying power lines, which are also key planks of what passes as the BNP’s environmental policies.

“do you support No Platform coming down and the BNP having the right to enter public debates ?”

Yes, I would prefer it if the BNP was included in debates. I am debating with you now.

Lee: Have you ever considered that the foul-mouthed way in which you treat any critic has some bearing on your personal lack of electoral success? If I had this kind of abuse from a BNP canvasser on my doorstep, I would report you to the police for harassment.

Lee: Have you ever considered that the foul-mouthed way in which you treat any critic has some bearing on your personal lack of electoral success? If I had this kind of abuse from a BNP canvasser on my doorstep, I would report you to the police for harassment.

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Not really Dan, I target my hatred and vile language at those who are our enemies, not our potential supporters. I dont abuse normal people as they dont abuse me.

Now if you agree to have civil debates, then I will do the same thing.

But for those who abuse me, I will abuse them back.

I dont turn the other cheek.

I am more than prepared to debate anywhere anytime with anyone.

As long as its not the usual perjorative, Ad Hominem attacks we usually get, which is rather pathetic as if the BNP are all ‘thickos’ then why abuse us ?

But for those who abuse me, I will abuse them back.

As your first comment was “Fuck off Graham you PAEDO.” closely followed by calling Edmund names I’m guessing that by “those who abuse you” you are including anyone who points out that the BNP has an unfortunate history of housing terrorists. Or is it that you yourself have terrorist ambitions?

You will only reduce global demand and consumption by reducing the global population.

### agreed 100 %

Environmental problems transcend national borders, which means you have to engage in a debate on global solutions.

## Agreed – stop sending aid and send condoms.

Throwing out “millions of illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers, illegal entrants etc.” (what about the millions of legal immigrants and genuine asylum seekers?) is not a global solution.

#” Agreed – we have to stop feeding them as well and either let them starve or stop having kids.

Neither is banning ritual slaughter or burying power lines, which are also key planks of what passes as the BNP’s environmental policies.

### Irrelevant to this issue.

Oh great the BNP’s answer to global warming is “starve the immigrants”

(I’m guessing nobody saw that coming :-)

But for those who abuse me, I will abuse them back.

As your first comment was “Fuck off Graham you PAEDO.” closely followed by calling Edmund names I’m guessing that by “those who abuse you” you are including anyone who points out that the BNP has an unfortunate history of housing terrorists. Or is it that you yourself have terrorist ambitions?

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see what I mean dan.

Grahams agenda is to insult and abuse and spout a load of infantile shit and thereby prevent debate.

So if Graham stops talking total bollocks then we can have a real debate.

Betcha he doesnt, because his real agenda is to bolster no platform as he, and his ilk, are too dumb to have a real debate.

Heres my challenge – the next thread I comment on I will answer on a level of debate – and lets see what idiot on this site abuses me, attacks me using a perjorative or Ad Hominem attack.

Its the only way that idiots know how to debate.

“I target my hatred and vile language at those who are our enemies, not our potential supporters.”

Is that how you see the world divided: enemies and potential supporters? You do realise that 97% of the electorate did not vote BNP in the European elections. Your party claims to represent a new kind of politics. For a long time people have complained about the petty adversarial nature of politics, instead of politics about policies and ideology. But petty adversarialism is exactly what you engage in, even if you believe that someone else started it. Using crude, coarse and vulgar language is even more likely to alienate people. But as an opponent of the BNP, I hope you continue to use it.

“As long as its not the usual perjorative, Ad Hominem attacks we usually get, which is rather pathetic as if the BNP are all ‘thickos’ then why abuse us ?”

The BNP stands against the way I live my life, who I have fallen in love with, married and had a son with. You would seek to split up my family through your policy of ‘repatriation’, even though neither of us has ever broken the law. Do you not think people like me would find it deeply offensive? Don’t you think my friends, family and other members of the community who have no problem with us or any other mixed-race, mixed-faith family or non-white individuals or gay men or gypsies would also feel the same? That’s why you incur such hostility and abuse.

Oh great the BNP’s answer to global warming is “starve the immigrants”

(I’m guessing nobody saw that coming :-)

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Who the hell made US responsible for THEM.

NO-ONE.

We are not responsible for feeding them – we ended the Empire decades ago, and now they have to take responsibilty for themselves not perpetually poncing money off the West.

We have our own people to care of ;

The number of elderly Britons dying from the cold jumped 49 per cent last winter following punishing increases in gas and electricity bill.

According to the Office for National Statistics, there were 36,700 more deaths last winter than in a comparable number of warmer months.

That meant the total of what are known as Excess Winter Deaths for England and Wales was up 12,000 on the previous year and at the highest level in a decade.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…el-decade.html

In fact they have gone from over breeding to killing themselves with obesity – so in fact you liberal idiots are killing them with your ‘kindness’.

http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/2009/11/24/huddersfield-filmmaker-and-doctor-make-dvd-to-combat-obesity-in-ethiopia-86081-25238772/

Well done

Grahams agenda is to insult and abuse and spout a load of infantile shit and thereby prevent debate.

Unfortunately for you it was you who did exactly this to begin with on this thread. You did it exactly because you wanted to draw attention away from the amount of terrorists that your party contains. You are supposedly an official in a political party. I am a mere blog commenter (albeit one who is part of a blog giving you a platform, much as some are opposed, and one who has a history of giving platforms to much more intelligent right-wing extremists than yourself in the past)

So. Do you have terrorist ambitions or not? If not what are you going to do to stop this infestation of would-be bombers in your party?

We are not responsible for feeding them – we ended the Empire decades ago, and now they have to take responsibilty for themselves not perpetually poncing money off the West.

See. Here you go mixing up issues again. You are now talking about foreign aid and yet above you have said that you want to forcibly starve British people. And winter deaths amongst old people occur amongst non-white Britons too. You really are mixed up ain’t ya kid?

On immigrants: “we have to stop feeding them as well and either let them starve or stop having kids.”

Well, that’s why I feel animosity towards your party. You view starving my family as necessary to achieve your goals. I find that view deeply unpleasant and offensive, but wish your ‘potential supporters’ were able to read your words.

“Irrelevant to this issue.”

No.1 point in the BNP’s environmental policy states that power lines should be buried. It is obviously very relevant for the BNP.

he BNP stands against the way I live my life, who I have fallen in love with, married and had a son with. You would seek to split up my family through your policy of ‘repatriation’, even though neither of us has ever broken the law. Do you not think people like me would find it deeply offensive? Don’t you think my friends, family and other members of the community who have no problem with us or any other mixed-race, mixed-faith family or non-white individuals or gay men or gypsies would also feel the same? That’s why you incur such hostility and abuse.

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Only a fool or a knave would state such crap.

Therefore seeing as your agenda is perpetuate this type of total bollocks as opposed to being intelligent enough to debate issues and open your closed, media conditioned mind, and listen to the truth as opposed what you are told by the corporate media then caio baby.

You are now talking about foreign aid and yet above you have said that you want to forcibly starve British people.

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Yep.

You cannot debate with people who simply lie because they are too stupid to debate.

If the borders of Britain now extend to Africa then what you say would be true, but seeing as they stop at Dover, and the Third World the last time I checked wasnt in Britain, then you are a total fucking idiot.

“Only a fool or a knave would state such crap.”

I don’t think it’s crap at all. I am trying to explain to you why many people find your party revolting.

“Therefore seeing as your agenda is perpetuate this type of total bollocks as opposed to being intelligent enough to debate issues and open your closed, media conditioned mind, and listen to the truth as opposed what you are told by the corporate media then caio baby.”

Why on earth are you commenting on this blog site if you cannot cope with opposition and walk away at criticism? Why waste your time and mine? Are you just here to troll?

Only a fool or a knave would state such crap.

Well that “level of debate” didn’t last long did it?

Well as you said yourself: Its the only way that idiots know how to debate.

But why a political party would want an idiot as its legal director is the great unanswered question.

If the borders of Britain now extend to Africa then what you say would be true, but seeing as they stop at Dover, and the Third World the last time I checked wasnt in Britain, then you are a total fucking idiot.

What part of:

Throwing out “millions of illegal immigrants, bogus asylum seekers, illegal entrants etc.” (what about the millions of legal immigrants and genuine asylum seekers?) is not a global solution.

” Agreed – we have to stop feeding them as well and either let them starve or stop having kids.

Is about Africa you totally dishonest fuckwit?

Lee, you need to answer the question re climate change at re-patriation. I’ll make it easy for you.

Farmer Giles has 10 cows, but he is worried about their C02 emissions so he decides to sell 5 of them. He sells 5 cows to Old McDonald (who has a farm) and keeps 5.
The only problem here is that even though Farmer Giles doesn’t have all the cows, they still exist and so the C02 emissions are still the same.
Are you perhaps suggesting that the some cows be starved, or murdered? Because once we remove that sentiment from the farmyard analogy we run into some rather familiar territory don’t we?

Nick Griffin said: “We don’t hate anyone, especially the mixed race children who are the most tragic victims of enforced multi-racism, but that does not mean that we accept miscegenation as moral or normal. We do not and we never will.”

I find it offensive that your party views my son as a ‘tragic victim’ of an immoral and abnormal act, which is how you regard my relationship with my wife. You said you wish to starve people like my wife and son or force them not to have children (sterilisation?) in order to cut the population. Are you really stupid enough to think that people would not regard you and your party as vile and nasty when you and your leader say such things? I’m not overly worried about the chances of the BNP winning power because I have faith that this country isn’t likely to vote for such views. But I am concerned about the impact of the propagation of such hateful propaganda (and it is hateful, even if Griffin says he does not hate) has on the people the BNP regards as a problem (apparently not just non-white people, but anyone who openly disagrees with it).

Well, the Lee got what he wanted from me – a chance for debate without personal attacks. He didn’t last long. I’d understand it if this was some inexperienced party activist, but this is a senior party officer who should be capable handling the cut and thrust of normal political debate. This is the quality of people running the BNP. What’s more disturbing is the fact that 3% of the electorate actually votes for them and they win a few seats here and there. Do they behave like this in the council chamber?

Are you perhaps suggesting that the some cows be starved, or murdered?

It would make sense to kill them – their carcasses could be sold at market or made into beefburgers.

But I am not sure if Lee would really be suggesting that for immigrants. Radical preacher Abdullah el-Faisal once suggested burning Jews and Hindus at power stations, but I am not sure if el-Faisal was thinking of the country’s carbon footprint.

The only way to deal with surplus farm animals is to castrate them and, when they are old enough, slaughter them for meat. The EHRC might put up some resistance, as would several others, if Lee’s party suggested this as a means of dealing with migrant and “non-indigenous” communities.

LJB.

You do realise that should any journalist be looking for a story that you will probably awake to the sub-heading “BNP political director reveals forced starvation of British people plan” don’t you?

Or is all publicity good publicity?

Graham – You would think that Lee might have learned his lesson after the last time his comments on here ended up in the paper.

Dan – Lee either does not want, or cannot manage a debate, but thank you for trying. I don’t know how old your son is but I hope he isn’t aware of all of this.

Adrian – You would hope so. I don’t ever think it could happen of course, but the fact that letting people starve is even on the discussion table is really very sinister.

Ana: We live in a BNP ward in Essex and my wife and three-year-old son have been racially abused in the street. Given that a BNP official has stated here that he believes they should be starved if they don’t stop having children (which could mean sterilisation) or leave the country, one could conclude that there is a causal link between this racist abuse and BNP propaganda. I have few opportunities to actually debate with a representative of the BNP, but on every occasion they have proven to me that they simply cannot deal with reasonable criticism of their policies. I don’t like the UAF’s policy of physical confrontation nor do I think ‘no platform’ helps in any way to allow people to form an objective opinion on that party. I would prefer it if I could have this debate with Lee in front of electors in my ward, because I am confident if they saw this exchange they would review their own attitudes and turn their backs on the BNP. Lee John Barnes is the best asset the BNP’s opponents have.

- Lee John Barnes, 27 November 2009, commenting on HP:

“The BNP did not know, authorise or ever, anytime, endorse his [violent] actions.

The BNP not only occupy the moral high ground in British politics,”

- Lee John Barnes, 28 September 2009, commenting on Pickled Politics, addressing English Jewish commenter Katy Newton:

Well Katy, you are a dumb cunt. Evil bitches like you are the sort of sicko who have polluted our country and culture from within. You, and those like you, are the real inner enemy – not the Islamist apologists for Mohammed….., but you – you sell your own out and therefore you deserve nothing but contempt, and hopefully along with the rest of all your kind in the near future – a quick trial , a short rope and a long drop.

Source: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6032#comment-22413139

Dan – thats awful, considering how angry what happened to your wife must have made you, I am very impressed with how calmly you have attempted to debate with LJB. I agree with everything you say about the UAF and no platform. The BNP would never agree to a debate like the one you describe, because they know that it would be damaging. We should attempt to give LJB all the publicity he seems to crave.

Kudos to you Dan, for arguing calmly. I would find it hard to restrain myself.

Was it not recently that a BNP councillor claimed that abducting people was wrong, but chucking a brick through a window was the “British way”?

Ana: It does make me very angry. At first, I wanted to throw the crap back at the BNP and their supporters. Then you wise up that the best way to show them up for what they are is not to scream, shout and abuse them, but just interrogate what they say. As they come under pressure, they come up with ever more wild accusations and claims that will turn off reasonable people who may have considered voting BNP as a protest. What BNPers want is anti-fascists violently confronting them in order to put them on some moral high-ground. What they hate is being shown up as incoherent, contradictory and hypocritical. That’s when they decide to ‘no platform’ themselves out of debate. It turns people away from the BNP and hopefully chip away at the racial hate they seem to stir up in communities where they have a presence.

Yes, it was this woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Richardson_(politician)

Adrian,

Yes I remember that comment.

So, Lee, can I ask – ideally without a response that accuses me of being a paedo, or is peppered with the f*** word – the following question :

Can you explain why there have been several recent cases of people with a BNP association indulging in chemistry experiments of an explosive nature, and can you give examples of similar behaviour among members of the LibLabCon parties?

In answer to an earlier question, I can’t remember why I thought Red Squirrel was female – something in a comment just gave me that impression.

As to my own gender – that’s irrelevant. You may call me he or she – you can even call me Nursie [that offer does not apply to Mr Barnes].

Dan – you are right of course. The UAF do the BNP’s work for them, which is why I was so angry with them after the Question Time debacle.
I hope things improve where you live.
Having worked in retail I am afraid I do not entirely share your optimism about the British public, many apparently reasonable people seem to resort to racist language when angry (or when they know they can get away with it) which suggests to me that a lot of people are ‘repressed racists’. All the racist incidents I have ever witnessed, and the only anti-semitic incident I have seen have all taken place at my previous place of work.
This is just anecdotal and my own experience, but it doesn’t inspire me with a lot of confidence I am afraid.

Dan,

I’d understand it if this was some inexperienced party activist, but this is a senior party officer who should be capable handling the cut and thrust of normal political debate. This is the quality of people running the BNP…..I have few opportunities to actually debate with a representative of the BNP, but on every occasion they have proven to me that they simply cannot deal with reasonable criticism of their policies.

Presumably HP regulars are already aware of the following, but to re-iterate: During the summer, a political think-tank called eGov Monitor supplied the BNP with two batches of detailed questions about their policies. Lee John Barnes provided the answers and confirmed in writing that he was formally authorised to speak for and represent the BNP in this matter.

Take some time out to read through the following. You should also read the subsequent comments threads, as people have pointed out the large number of factual, logical and statistical errors in the BNP leadership’s official responses.

First batch, focusing on Role Models, Affiliations and Policies of senior members of the BNP: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4889

Second batch, focusing on the Social and Legal Impact of a BNP government, Part 1: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/5057

(Social and Legal Impact of a BNP government, Part 2: http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/4832 . These questions are still unanswered by the BNP).

and hopefully along with the rest of all your kind in the near future – a quick trial , a short rope and a long drop.

tch, and there’s the Bloomsbury set getting at me for mentioning that his brother was a useless smackhead.

tch, and there’s the Bloomsbury set getting at me for mentioning that his brother was a useless smackhead.

Oi – you!

I criticised that comment, on the basis of a morality that I hold to and live by.

And for that, I am dismissively lumped into the category of “Bloomsbury sect”?

Yeah all right Otteline!

Right, D.H. I am going to retire to my boudoir and feel mortified…. deeply regretting that were it not for the refinement and good manners that are obligated upon me by right of my class and privilege, I would be calling you a pig f*cker! Sniff…..

Yours ruefully,

Otteline

OMG!!! A TERRORIST!!!!