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Of course. Griffin is a Quisling.

Are they citizens?

@ Alec M

Gibraltarians are british citizens (& very enthusiastic about it too). They do not want to be spanish.

And Griffin -who spent time canoodling with Gaddafi in 1988 (after the WPC Yvonne Fletcher killing) – has the damned cheek to call himself a patriot?

What a disgrace to Britain the fat little mudskipper really is.

Nasty Nick would sell Britain off to the highest bidder. By the time he has finished making “deals” to secure his position as leader, the only “territory” Britain would have left would be a run-down caravan park in Canvey Island.

Ta’, GTM. I knew they were part of SW England for the Euro elections, and that Falklanders are citizens.

Titter ye not, the laugh is on you! Our kind government who after lining their own pockets with our money have, admitted Rwanda to the Commonwealth! Yet more of our money. This is after Mozambique with its disgusting human rights record, was also admitted to this club of sycophantic torturers. Most of our voters do even realize this is done in our name. Who are the people or dark forces who do these benevolent acts on our behalf behind our backs. Why have representative voting?

Who amongst us has not played a round of Golf or recevied bakseesh from the Libyans, I know I have!

Hi Lucy,

did you get the Jimmy Choos in Debenhams ?

My comment on this issue is here ;

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/11/another-non-story-from-tory-toff-james.html

And here ;

http://leejohnbarnes.blogspot.com/2009/11/nothing-british-supporters-make-jokes.html

Lee – do you think Gibraltar should be “given” to the Spanish?

And do you think that Nick Griffin will soon start to refer to the Falklands as “Malvinas”?

Lee – do you think Gibraltar should be “given” to the Spanish?

And do you think that Nick Griffin will soon start to refer to the Falklands as “Malvinas”?
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1) No – but the spanish should be consulted in relation to their national security interests re Islamic terrorism, smuggling, etc etc.

As long as the Gibraltar people want to stay British, then they must stay British.

2) Only in your imagination dear boy.

Was the Falklands a “brother war”

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Did you get the Jimmy Choos Lucy ?

Were they the nice sparkly pink ones like Barbie wears ?

Oh come on Lee – doesn’t Nick like to see you wearing those nice pink sparkly ones before he begs you to let him…… (censored for reasons of taste and decency).

A ‘naval base of huge strategic importance’? Hardly, if we didn’t have Gib then the Spanish would likely let us use theirs at Cadiz if needed. Also, for a naval base to have huge strategic importance, I’m fairly sure you need a navy?

The people of Gibraltar quite understandably wish to remain British, as most still look on Spanish politics, stable for less that 30 years, with some suspicion. There’s also the fact that La Linea de la Concepcion, the Spanish town just of the border, was until 10 years ago possibly the filthiest and most dangerous place in all western Europe. Things are changing though, with Spanish EU membership the chances of a coup d’etat look as or less likely than one in Britain, and La Linea has been tarted up beyond all recognition.

In light of this, the Gibs might look more favourably on becoming Spanish in the future – but they won’t. They live on a rock, and their only hope of having any sort of job is that they remain as a tax haven. Spain won’t give them that, and with the way things are going Britain is also going to be leaning on them more and more to tighten up. Their current economy is based on internet gambling firms being based there, but one minor change in the regulations could see them all move somewhere else literally within weeks.

What Gibraltar really wants is independence, that way they can be a haven for the gambling firms and other offshores with no worries on outside interference. Unfortunately, Spanish policy is still dead set against that – to the extent that should Britain grant independence then Spain would invade. This could be just a populist policy on the part of the Spanish, but few in London or Gibraltar are willing to chance it and call their bluff.

As long as the Gibraltar people want to stay British, then they must stay British.

So is this an exclusive that the press can write about? “BNP legal director and party leader disagree over Griffin’s plans to give Gibraltar to the Spanish” ???

Oh come on Lee – doesn’t Nick like to see you wearing those nice pink sparkly ones before he begs you to let him…… (censored for reasons of taste and decency).

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Adrian, I am shocked. Try and raise your mind up from the level of your crotch dear boy.

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So is this an exclusive that the press can write about? “BNP legal director and party leader disagree over Griffin’s plans to give Gibraltar to the Spanish” ???

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Sure. Nick’s favourit bands are Bucks Fizz, The Pet Shop Boys and Abba, whilst mine are System of a Down, The Wurzels and Public Enemy. We disagree on that as well.

I may change my mind next week when I have the remote controlled BNP memory chip inserted.

I expect that the BNP thinks of Gibraltarians as ‘dagos’.

The correct term is ‘Gibbos’.

I lived in Gib for a few years when I was very young but I remember it’s a shithole that the Spanish can have tomorrow so far as I’m concerned.

The people of Gibraltar quite understandably wish to remain British, as most still look on Spanish politics, stable for less that 30 years, with some suspicion.

Err, they wish to remain British because they ARE British.

Has Lee actually answered the question about his legal qualifications yet?

I do so love this growing Facist Euro/International so chummy and free of contradictions.

Trouble with Gibralter and the Spanish attitude of those who have a knee jerk reflex to demand its reposession to it is that they are psychologically incapable of allowing Ceuta and Mellila inserted into the conversation.

This refuse-think is pandered to by British diplomats who let them go along with this bizarre cognitive dissonance.

Ceuta (the big one right oppositie Gibraltar) and mellila are fully fledged Spanish colonial enclaves held on Morroccan soil.

Ceuta is big business a lot of it duty free and contraband (and the source of much smuggling)and its ‘maquilladoras’ employing, often in shocking conditions, morrocan day workers (despite their day being two hours out as Spain keeps to its Iberian time zone in Africa).

Products made in Ceuta (including pharmaceuticals such asthe last identifiable source of anti-dust mite spray in Europe) are of course ‘European’ with no problems of access to the market.

If you want a nasty culture shocking hustly in your face experience step from Ceuta/Spain and go to nearby Tetuan.

Oh dear not even the rough guide lists wading the the crowds of desperately trans-Saharan trafficked people facing ‘europe’ as razor wire and the gangs of drug dealers, as a colourful experience.

Now nowhere in the mind of the Spaniard who imagines an easy return for Gibralta does Ceuta, or Mellia raise its head, notwithstanding the increasingly serious demands from Morrocco for these offensive colonies to be removed.

If you wish to test this claim its simple.

Next time a Spaniard says that Gibraltar must be returned to Spanish sovereignty then simply agree categorically just add ‘at the same time Ceuta and Mellila are returned to Morocco, then look for signs of brain implosion.

I did it only last week , in the nicest possible left wing way of a need for complete decolonisation,.

Unfortunately it was a date I am not sure I get another .

Oh the reason none of our notional allies but historic enemies in Europe of North America have ever favoured the Spanish claim to Gibraltar is that no-one has ever been keen, strategically, on allowing Spain to control both sides of the the straights of Gibraltar

Excellent comment on the British Democracy Forum about the Gibraltar issue here ;

http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/bnp/68864-bnp-demand-surrender-gibraltar-spanish-6.html

What’s extra ironic is that while they’re getting all steamed up over Gibraltar, Lord Bethell and The Sun don’t seem to care about the fact that in east London, where I live, there are, literally, Islamic flags flying over us. British sovereignty and culture has largely disapppeared and replaced by Islam in terms of the population, the schools, the businesses and the local council. I know many other areas of the UK are the same now. If you’re so concerned about our sovereignty, why not tackle the actual loss of sovereignty and identity on our own doorstep, in our own capital city rather than sticking your head in the sand and concentrating on a hypothetical transfer of Gibraltar which is never going to happen? Of course, I’m sure Lord Bethell has never walked round this streets, and will never have to. So it’s easier for him to concentrate his fake patriotism on these fake issues, to help him further his political career. Meanwhile, millions of British people are suffering because of the real loss of sovereignty that’s happening – something that he and his party don’t care about and won’t do anything to halt.

Loss of sovereignty, Lee?

As far as I’m aware the good people of the East End are subject to English & Welsh law & we are a long way from a ‘Passport to Pimlico’ scenario. Using the term ‘loss of sovereignty’ smacks of the over heated hysterical rhetoric you chaps are so keen on.

And Griffin -who spent time canoodling with Gaddafi in 1988 (after the WPC Yvonne Fletcher killing) – has the damned cheek to call himself a patriot?

He didn’t just spend time with the Colonel he was a member of the delegation of the NF who met Gaddaffi and afterwards published these words in “Nationalism Today”:

“The values cherished by Gaddaffi … are in every sense our own”.

In fact Griffin’s leadership of the BNP has been characterised by demands for the sort of communalism put forward in Gaddafi’s little green book. All groups (including whites) should have “popular congresses and people’s committees” translate this idea into a context of “European-wide white culture” and an understanding of why he is keen to drop Gibralter isn’t far away.

“The values cherished by Gaddaffi … are in every sense our own”.

Thanks Latrine!

Yours, Otteline.

He. LJB is off message about dropping the old far right staple of British Imperialism and embracing “different but equal cultures” all living in a white Europe”!

Its Ernst Rohm all over again…

You may quote from Alan Sykes: “The radical right in Britain” Palgrave P119 Should you wish to Hermione.

He didn’t just spend time with the Colonel he was a member of the delegation of the NF who met Gaddaffi and afterwards published these words in “Nationalism Today”

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http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Prime-Minister-Gordon-Brown-Meets-Libyan-Leader-Colonel-Gaddafi-At-G8-Summit-In-LAquila-Italy/Article/200907215334494

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552871/Blair-meets-Gaddafi-on-African-farewell-tour.html

But Lee, everyone knows that Tony is a **** who would turn up for the opening of a letter bomb as long as he got a big cheque at the end.

So tu quoque reasoning doesn’t cut ice here.

Nick Griffin complains about Islam, but was enthralled by Gaddafi while the “Colonel” was funding the IRA and other terror groups, as well as promising in 1985 to the Nation of Islam that he (Gaddafi) would fund a black army to “destroy white America”.

Such racism by Gaddafi was ignored by Griffin, or he was just too ignorant to look too deeply.

I cannot trust a man who condemns Islam now but was happy to collude with an Islamist, I cannot trust a British “patriot” who colluded with a dictator who allowed a British policewomen to be shot on a UK street by gunmen from his embassy , and I cannot trust a man who was against black people, but also colluded with a dictator who wanted to see black people killing white people.

Where is the authenticity?

I somehow think you are on to a loser if you think Tony Blair wrote a gushingly positive appraisal of Gaddaffi or clearly stated that his values were the same as the Colonel’s.

Was Gadaffi an Islamist in the 80’s? (is he one know?) I always thought of him as an arab nationalist who will pay lip service to Islam when the need arose. Similar to old Saddam who was never an Islamist (he enjoyed whiskey & blonds) but would toodle along to the mosque if politic to do so.

Nick Griffin went to see Colonel Gaddafi to demand he stop supplying the IRA with weapons.

Nick should have been knighted for that.

But oh no, the cynics only want to use his humanitarian intervention for their own crass propaganda reasons.

What next, did Bob Geldof help starving Ethiopians to get a Knighthood I suppose.

>> Nick Griffin went to see Colonel Gaddafi to demand he stop supplying the IRA with weapons.

Got a link for that? Not to mention your legal qualifications, and what’s this about Cooling.

No Gaddaffi was a communalist (like Griffin and Hizb). The idea is that the centralised state can be destroyed from within by setting up local representational bodies and educating people in your way. NFer Derek Holland developed Gaddaffi’s theories into ideas about the nation in arms and local militias and the one-time NF thing about being “political soldiers” who need to undergo a “personal revolution”.

You have to realise that Griffin was once part of both the Strasserite wing of the NF and the international third position. Casting around for something to replace the old far-right defence of Imperialism he came across Gaddaffi’s ideas.

So that’s what the BNP actually are. A clapped out white nationalist party which bases its programme on the loony theories of a North African tinpot dictator.

(Next: Griff’s gushing praise for Louis Farrakhan – watch this space,)

Oh I forgot to mention.

The NF was the only importer and outlet in the UK for Gadaffi’s green book for quite a while as well.

(Next: Graham discovers the wheel – watch this space,)

Nick Griffin went to see Colonel Gaddafi to demand he stop supplying the IRA with weapons.

That’s not what HE says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnMK8Cs3VI

I see the BNP will have a lollipop lady set on them soon. http://grayee.blogspot.com/2009/11/couling-vs-barnbrook.html

Was Gadaffi an Islamist in the 80’s? (is he one know?)

Since the days of Nasser I think all Pan-Arabists were also proponents of Islamic imperialism.

There was a speech Gaddafi made in 2007
http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=20203

“Christianity is not a faith for people in Africa, Asia, Europe and the Americas. Other people who are not sons of Israel have nothing to do with that religion. It is a mistake that another religion exists alongside Islam.”

“There is only one religion which is Islam after Mohammed. All those believers who do not follow Islam are losers. We are here to correct the mistakes in the light of the teachings of the Koran.”

So Gadaffi paid for a delegation from the NF to go to Libya on an all expenses jolly to tell him not to fund the IRA…….? It doesn’t make sense to me.

There isn’t any sense to it – watch the video above where Griffin clearly says he just wanted the dosh.

LJB makes a very bad Goebbels!

So Gadaffi paid for a delegation from the NF to go to Libya on an all expenses jolly to tell him not to fund the IRA…….? It doesn’t make sense to me.

You cynic!

You must try Lee and Nick’s ethos of “believe six impossible things before breakfast, and if that doesn’t work, try to make someone else believe six impossible things before bedtime.”

Graham wrote:
So that’s what the BNP actually are. A clapped out white nationalist party which bases its programme on the loony theories of a North African tinpot dictator.

You forgot to add: a North African tinpot dictator who wants to see Switzerland abolished -

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1926053,00.html

(and that was before the minaret vote).

There isn’t any sense to it – watch the video above where Griffin clearly says he just wanted the dosh.
LJB makes a very bad Goebbels!

That video is interesting, showing how the NF went to supporting Louis Farrakhan (when Gaddafi had already offered to fund them in weaponry, and also offered to help them set up a fundraising cosmetics industry in the US).

This is exactly like the way that the KKK supported Marcus Mosiah Garvey – they were happy to see him campaign for his Black Star Liner company to succeed, and ultimately take all the blacks away to Liberia and other parts of Africa.

LJB makes a very bad Goebbels!

& an even worse Hans Frank

& an even worse Hans Frank

But I’m sure he’d make a good Frank Spencer…

Blimey – its Graham and Adrian – the Sooty and Sweep of Harrys Place.

Now where has David T put his hands.

Ooooh nasty.

“Taking into account the geographical situation of Gibraltar and the Muslim threat on its door, I would prefer to see a Spanish flag fly in Gibraltar before an Islamic one.”

The BNP are anti-British traitors.

Traitors should get no mercy.

Blimey – its Graham and Adrian – the Sooty and Sweep of Harrys Place.

Now that did make me laugh, I am sorry to admit.

Now that did make me laugh, I am sorry to admit.

Yeah. Especially coming from Gaddaffi’s Duck.

LJB makes a very bad Goebbels!

No, he makes a very good Goebbels if the song is accurate.

Albie @ 1 December 2009, 5:03 pm

“I see the BNP will have a lollipop lady set on them soon. ”

That’s one formidable lollipop lady. She makes trotskyites quake in their boots. Fascists should too.